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Lucky_Bob
06-24-2006, 07:31 PM
Hello,
I thought I'd give you all updates of what I am working on right now. This is the first chapter of an animated movie my animation team and I are creating called "The Life of Christ Part 1". When Part 1 is finished it will cover Jesus's Birth, Baptism, and Temptation in the wilderness. I will send you updates when each chapter is animated.
"The Life of Christ" will be 3 movies all together.
Part 1, like I said before, will cover Jesus's Birth, Baptism, and Temptation. Part 2 will cover a lot of Jesus's main teachings and parables. Part 3 will cover his Passion and Resurrection.

Well, enough chatter. Here is Chapter 1 of "The Life of Christ Part 1":

http://www.freewebs.com/jtn1989/locpart1.htm

Comments are appreciated :)

NOTE:
This is by no means a film meant to try an convert ANYONE to Christianity. It is meant for the enjoyment for everyone of all religions and faiths and is meant to give an accurate, Biblical view of the life of Jesus Christ.
I do NOT want this to become a debate.

James

Ozero
06-24-2006, 08:19 PM
the voices are good, the motion is good.. the art.. not as much.. :P

I'm not by any means one of the faithful, but the general presentation seems to portray it well...

lupercal
06-24-2006, 08:36 PM
I pretty much hated it. Sorry. It was like South Park without the humour. It was like some gynaecologist telling a nun she was going to give birth to a wilderbeest. The building was drawn apparently without the most rudimentry conception of perspective. On a technical level, the only thing I thought was decent was the narrator's voice-over, which was very decent.

This might have been ok if it was supposed to be funny, but I'm assuming it was supposed to be serious.

Sorry

disclaimer: I think The Bible is about as silly as this cartoon. No doubt this influenced me.

lupercal
06-24-2006, 09:28 PM
If you didn't want it to become a debate, why post it? Any opinion, pro or con this cartoon - since it's a blatantly religious cartoon - has to be influenced by religious belief. Personally I'm an agnostic leaning towards athiest, with an intellectual soft spot for modern Satanism, in that I enjoy its franknness and its refusal to believe in anything - even Satan - on the basis that the whole schmozzle of belief in anything (and even disbelief in anything) is based on claptrap.

Loop

Lucky_Bob
06-25-2006, 10:32 AM
No offense taken Loop. I kinda had the feeling you wouldn't like it since I knew you were an agnostic/atheist.
The thing is, even though I said it's not meant to "convert" anyone, it's aimed at a Christian audience and it's gonna be mostly Christians who will watch (and enjoy) it. That's it. There's no way around it.
It's pretty much gonna be this way: most of the atheists are gonna hate it and most of the Christians are gonna like it.
And you can hate it all you want along with the rest of the aetheists. No offense in any way was taken since the film wasn't even aimed at atheists.
James

Lucky_Bob
06-25-2006, 11:19 AM
the voices are good, the motion is good.. the art.. not as much..

I agree. The backgrounds need work. I've never been great at doing backgrounds.
And the reason that the character designs are overly simple is because my program slows down when I add a ton of detail

I'm not by any means one of the faithful, but the general presentation seems to portray it well...

Thank you!

James

lupercal
06-25-2006, 11:23 AM
Nevertheless what I said was unforgivable, and I'm not going to try. I will say I am given to occaisional bouts of - what shall we call them - self-destructive volatitlity, during which anything that comes within sight is likely to cop it, deservedly or not. Or more exactly I make myself suffer by ensuring that I exaggerate my criticisms and make what I said unforgivable (FWIW I make a point of never writing reviews if I get like this, so it was more than damn stupid of me to do it to something someone I knew had posted on the forum.) FWIW during the same day, I rang up a friend of some 26 years, who I felt had wronged me, and tore into him to the extent I doubt we're friends anymore.

FWIW I'm no more a Satanist than I am a Theist of any kind. As far as I can tell it's basically atheism with a chip on its shoulder, since it doesn't believe in Satan either, so why mention him? I'm an agonistic who if I fell off the fence would probably land on the athiest side.

I have less trouble with the New Testament than the Old, so it's probably good you didn't try and do Genesis.

I did mean what I said about the building having no sense of perspective, but perhaps that was stylistically intentional. I don't know.

I don't know how you can take no offence. Maybe you really do practice turning the other cheek. If it were me I would be hurt and probably angry.

Anyway take everything I said with a pinch of salt. I was having a bad day, and was just determined to be obnoxious. You didn't deserve it and I'm sorry. I'm glad you're not offended, but you're letting me off light.

Loop

Lucky_Bob
06-25-2006, 12:31 PM
Nevertheless what I said was unforgivable, and I'm not going to try. I will say I am given to occaisional bouts of - what shall we call them - self-destructive volatitlity, during which anything that comes within sight is likely to cop it, deservedly or not. Or more exactly I make myself suffer by ensuring that I exaggerate my criticisms and make what I said unforgivable (FWIW I make a point of never writing reviews if I get like this, so it was more than damn stupid of me to do it to something someone I knew had posted on the forum.) FWIW during the same day, I rang up a friend of some 26 years, who I felt had wronged me, and tore into him to the extent I doubt we're friends anymore.

I don't know how you can take no offence. Maybe you really do practice turning the other cheek. If it were me I would be hurt and probably angry.

Thank you for saying that Loop :) I'm the same way when I have bad days.

I will admit I was a bit... I dunno... hurt... or a bit disappointed by what you said but it's all in the past now and the harshness is forgiven.

As a Christian I am supposed to forgive when someone wrongs me. That's what I will do.

I have less trouble with the New Testament than the Old, so it's probably good you didn't try and do Genesis.


You're not alone.
Both Christians and non-Christians have trouble w/ the Old Testement because it seemed like he was a cruel God rather than a loving, caring, God like in the NT.

But Christianity is not based on the Old Testement. Judism is.
The Old Testement is exactly what it is: The OLD Testement. The Laws contained there are no longer applied to Christians because of Christ's Death and Ressurection.
So, don't get the idea that Christianity is based in the Old Testement. It's based in the New.
In the Old Tesement people's sins were payed for by making blood sacrifices to God. Christ was sent as the LAST of those sacrifices. By his Death on the Cross he payed for the sins of His people and now we are saved by His grace, not by what animal we slaughter.

I did mean what I said about the building having no sense of perspective, but perhaps that was stylistically intentional. I don't know.

Yeah, about that, in the animation program I use it's very difficult to make objects that don't look flat or cut-outish. That's why I only show my characters from one angle.
If I wanted multiple angles I'd have to draw each one, put bones on it, and work out all the bugs.
In otherwords: it's a pain in the butt.

Anyway take everything I said with a pinch of salt. I was having a bad day, and was just determined to be obnoxious. You didn't deserve it and I'm sorry. I'm glad you're not offended, but you're letting me off light.

No problem :)

James

lupercal
06-25-2006, 02:30 PM
This has nothing to do with the animation anymore, but:


But Christianity is not based on the Old Testement. Judism is.
The Old Testement is exactly what it is: The OLD Testement. The Laws contained there are no longer applied to Christians because of Christ's Death and Ressurection.
So, don't get the idea that Christianity is based in the Old Testement. It's based in the New.

But I get into arguments with people who spout Leviticus and say it's God's Law. What's my come back?


the Old Tesement people's sins were payed for by making blood sacrifices to God. Christ was sent as the LAST of those sacrifices. By his Death on the Cross he payed for the sins of His people and now we are saved by His grace, not by what animal we slaughter.

Just out of interest, I often wondered about God spurning Cain's (vegetable) offering, but accepting Able's meat offering. The whole thing seemed arbitrary to me; either that or God didn't like vegetarians. Does that make sense in the context of the crucifixion changing things?

Loop

Lucky_Bob
06-25-2006, 04:00 PM
But I get into arguments with people who spout Leviticus and say it's God's Law. What's my come back?

It is God's law but it has been fulfilled by Christ. The laws are no longer authoritative because of the blood of Christ that was shed.

This is apparent in the book of Luke when Jesus forgave the harlot instead of having her stoned, in the book of Acts when Peter has his vision of the "unclean" foods and Jesus tells Him that they are no longer unclean (hence, Christians can now eat pork and shellfish) and in the book of Galatians where Paul tells us that circumcision is no longer necessary for religious purposes.

I'll answer the rest later I gotta go eat dinner.

James

P.C. Unfunny
06-25-2006, 05:56 PM
I don't know how you can take no offence. Maybe you really do practice turning the other cheek. If it were me I would be hurt and probably angry.

Loop

I am a christain and I don't take offense either. Let me ask you something though, if you belive the bible so silly,why do you think it's been around ,and so popular, for so long ? I am not saying this should automatically validate anything in the bible but I think that is a sign something in it could be true.

lupercal
06-25-2006, 06:49 PM
Let me ask you something though, if you belive the bible so silly,why do you think it's been around ,and so popular, for so long ?

This begs for an essay, but to remain om the style of the thread, and give a short answer: because people are silly as well.

Loop

KimbaWLion
06-26-2006, 07:09 PM
But I get into arguments with people who spout Leviticus and say it's God's Law. What's my come back?Tell them to read Leviticus 19:19 and ask them why they feel free to ignore that and not other parts. (The point being that that verse makes any cotton/polyester blend clothing "against God's Law" and I haven't seen anyone wear only 100% cotton because of it.) People just want to do whatever they want to do, and pick and choose bits of the Bible as justification because they can't come up with any good reasons.

lupercal
06-26-2006, 11:58 PM
Well, I'm glad that Christians can now eat shellfish. The irony is that I hate shellfish, and I'm not a Chistian. I don't eat various things because I'm a a painist.

Loop

lupercal
06-27-2006, 11:31 AM
Come to think of it, I also don't like seafood.

lupercal
06-27-2006, 02:18 PM
Or pork. I should be some weird sort of Jew.

But I love beef, and for years I have refrained from eating it on ethical grounds. And yet, I am here being obnoxious. Am I a hypocrite? A hypogriff? A petroglyph?

Lucky_Bob
06-27-2006, 04:45 PM
Hello again,
Just to let you all know I may be re-animating this scene with better backgrounds and animation.
Later,
James

KimbaWLion
06-28-2006, 05:54 AM
Is there a point to animating this? All you have, basically, is talking heads. I could get just as much out of reading the words, and be done a lot quicker.

Lucky_Bob
06-28-2006, 01:08 PM
Is there a point to animating this? All you have, basically, is talking heads. I could get just as much out of reading the words, and be done a lot quicker.

No real point no.
Since I'm not doing this for living there's no "point" to any animation I do other than my own enjoyment.
I've been wanting to do this for a long time so I'm finially doing it and will be able to say "I animated the story of Jesus's life" when I'm done.
James

Lucky_Bob
06-30-2006, 02:54 PM
Hey,

I'm re-designing the characters an backgrounds and completely re-animating the first scene.
The characters will be nicer looking (similar designs to my movie in progess Death From Above (http://www.freewebs.com/jtn1989/deathfromabove.htm) but animated better) and the colors will be deeper (in the current version of the scene the colors look a bit washed out) and the overall look of the film will be more interesting.

I'll post pictures soon!

James