And in the 2nd upset of the night...

[athena]

TaleSpin just drop-kicked Avatar off the #1 spot on the Top 5. :lol:

[greykitty]

Yay for Tale Spin! It deserves more recognition! :D

[starlac]

It's all go tonight.:D

[Toonboy]

Crap! Ironically enough, I was the "grain of rice that tipped the scales", and I'm one of the biggest Avatar fans of all. I just wanted to look for something to shove Spongebob off the bottom. XD

It's strange. Avatar has 14 reviews and a perfect score even though a few gave it 3.5, and Tale Spin has only 5 reviews.

Oh well. I'll still always consider Avatar one of the best cartoons ever made. It's just got so much depth to it.

[athena]

Crap! Ironically enough, I was the "grain of rice that tipped the scales", and I'm one of the biggest Avatar fans of all. I just wanted to look for something to shove Spongebob off the bottom. XD
*laugh* Well, you can't have everying. :D

Actually the "perfect" star-rating image is deceptive since the rankings are calculated to two decimal places... Avatar has a star-rating of 3.89 with 14 reviews, Tale Spin currently has a 4.00 with 5 reviews... if both had the same star-rating then the one with the most reviews would win, but on a straight star-rating comparison Tale Spin comes out on top.


I need some math genius to come up with a formula that would provide the number of reviews some weight but not so much that it overrules the actual star rating.

[lupercal]

I need some math genius to come up with a formula that would provide the number of reviews some weight but not so much that it overrules the actual star rating.

I think you should keep it pretty much as is. i.e. a cut-off point for entry into the top 5 , but then don't weight a rating by number of reviews, unless there's a tie.

Reason being that if you weight the ratings by number of reviews you're always going to be giving blockbusters whch lots of people have seen a boost, and penalising brilliant but obscure films that could never compete on sheer number of reviews.

I think when I came on the cut-off point was a lesser number - 2 or 3 maybe - and I suggested increasing it to 5. I still think that's about right, but it did just ocur to me that it might not nescessarily be right for every category. It mighn't be unreasonable for a category which gets a small number of reviews overall, to require fewer reviews yo make a top 5. We could be waiting till doomsday for 5 people to review most of the shorts. But I don't know if that's possible within the way the site is set up anyway.

Loop

[athena]

I think when I came on the cut-off point was a lesser number - 2 or 3 maybe - and I suggested increasing it to 5.

Actually if I remember correctly, there wasn't a cut-off at all... so we had strange things happening with 10-way ties between films that had 1 review of 4 stars... obviously what we have now is much better.


I still think that's about right, but it did just ocur to me that it might not nescessarily be right for every category. It mighn't be unreasonable for a category which gets a small number of reviews overall, to require fewer reviews yo make a top 5. We could be waiting till doomsday for 5 people to review most of the shorts. But I don't know if that's possible within the way the site is set up anyway.

That's not a bad idea... keep the threshold at 5 reviews for Feature Films, DTVs and TV series but perhaps drop it--at least for now--for Short Films, Theatrical Shorts and Holiday Specials... maybe to three reviews? It would make those lists even more volatile but it would least get them on the boards... and I've noticed nothing spurs on reviews like a personal disagreement with the Top 5 order.

What do you guys think? Give the slower categories a leg up?

[MonkeyFunk]

Yeah, that sounds like a plan

[athena]

I'm just checking the database to see what this would give us... dropping the threshold to three reviews we would get...

Short Films:
1. Boundin'
2. Geri's Game
2. Wat's Pig
3. Gone Nutty
4. Luxo Jr.
5. Give Up Yer Aul Sins

Theatrical Shorts:
... not enough entries for a list

Holiday Specials
... not enough entries for a list


Dropping it to two reviews we'd get...

Short Films:
1. Wallace & Gromit: The Wrong Trousers
2. Boundin'
3. Next
3. For the Birds
4. Lily and Jim
4. Creature Comforts
4. Harvie Krumpet
5. Geri's Game
5. Wat's Pig

Theatrical Shorts:
... not enough entries for a list

Holiday Specials
1. The Year Without a Santa Claus
1. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
1. How the Grinch Stole Christmas
2. Anabelle's Wish
3. Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas
4. A Rugrats Chanukah
5. An All Dogs Christmas Carol


My temptation is to drop it to three reviews... we're getting too many ties at two reviews... and it wouldn't take much to bump some of these good ones we're missing over into contention.

[lupercal]

Yeah, you're right - it used to be zero.

And 3 seems about right for shorts, at the moment.

Loop

[lupercal]

Ok, I hadn't seen that post when I made my last one. On the present level of input, certainly for theatrical shorts and maybe 'shorts', I think 2 might be justified, at least temporarily, increasing to 3 when there are sufficient reviews.

[athena]

Okay, I just tried implementing it through the system at 3 and we seem to be getting decent lists. Would be better (and more stable) with more reviews, but three seems to be working for now.

Theatrical shorts only has two films with more than one review, so we're going to have to wait a bit to expect anything to pop up there.