The Top 5 Worst

[athena]

I admit I get a fair amount of perverse pleasure as a reviewer going after the really, REALLY bad films. Some of my favourite reviews are the ones for the worst films on the site.

In the upgrade I re-did the Top 5's page (http://keyframeonline.com/Top5/) to include a list of the animation that's been voted as the worst on the site. So what do you think? Is Dinosaur (http://keyframeonline.com/Animation/Dinosaur/58/) really THAT bad? Does Alice and Wonderland (http://keyframeonline.com/Animation/Alice_in_Wonderland/1/) deserve to make the list? And what's missing from that list? I do know that Bakshi's Lord of the Rings (http://keyframeonline.com/Animation/The_Lord_of_the_Rings/152/) is one review away from knocking "Dinosaur" off the top.


any thoughts?

[greykitty]

I definitely think Dinosaur should be up there. I haven't seen Lord of the Rings, but from the screencaps I've seen and the reviews I've read/heard it should go up there too!

[greykitty]

Oh, you can't edit a post. I was going to ask do dtv's count in that list or are you making a seperate list for those?

[greykitty]

Ack sorry triple post. I just saw the dtv list. So nevermind that last post.

[athena]

Oh, you can't edit a post. I was going to ask do dtv's count in that list or are you making a seperate list for those?
hehe, yea we're working on the edit problem. :o

But we really need a few more reviews in the DTV area. I would love to see what people think is the worst of the worst in that area. On an earlier edition of Keyframe, Secret of NIMH 2 (http://keyframeonline.com/Animation/The_Secret_of_NIMH_2:_Timmy_to_the_Rescue/185/) had a dozen absolutely brutal reviews. I think that's the only time I've seen a flat 1-star average with that many reviews.

Personally I think Quest for Camelot (http://keyframeonline.com/Animation/Quest_for_Camelot/173/) and The King and I (http://keyframeonline.com/Animation/The_King_and_I/135/) should be on the Worst Films list as well... although really, who would I dare ask to sit through them to see if they agree. ;)

[starlioness]

I'm watching Dinosaur C.E DVD right now . and I don't think it was that bad not that great , but not that bad... I've seen worse, seriously.. I liked it better than We're Back! anyway.. though it was too funny when I found out that Aladar actually had Grandparents. LBTime *cough cough*.

Lord of the Rings I couldn't even sit through. I FastForwarded 95% of the film and still didn't like it .:bleh:

the King and I and Secret of Nimh 2 can rott in the bowels of heck as far as I'm concerened.. :thumbdown:

[lonely_princess]

personally i think the asterix movies should be in the list as they are dated now not even the kids at the nursery i work at will sit through them

[athena]

personally i think the asterix movies should be in the list as they are dated now not even the kids at the nursery i work at will sit through them

You should write some reviews for them. I don't think many people in North America have seen them... I know I can't get my hands on copies up here in Canada.

[lonely_princess]

i would but i havent seen them in years when i get the box set from amazon.co.uk i will

[Lucky_Bob]

I don't think Alice in Wonderland should be on the list. I personally like it a lot.
I think Banski's "Lord of the Rings" should be there. "Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius" too. I'm gonna write my review of that one today.

James

[Lucky_Bob]

Also Road to Eldorado and Spirit: Stallio of the Cimarron.

James

[lupercal]

Dinosaur, Alice in Wonderland, and Lord of the Rings are all bad - Dinosaur most of all - and aren't out of place in the bottom five - though I'm not sure there aren't worse films around. Swan Princess II was one of the most gruesome theatrical releases I had to sit through to review, albeit it was only shown in about 4 cinemas in Idaho.

The Asterix films - I don't think the problem is so much that they're dated (I mean, there's one still in production). It's more that a) about half of them aren't very good, particularly the very early and very late ones, and b) if kids aren't already fans of the books, they're just not going to identify with the characters at all. Add to that the cultural difference, since these are all French or French/German/Belgian productions. But yeah, the first two Asterix movies from the 60's are pretty painful to watch, and so is 'Asterix and the Big Fight'. 'Asterix in America' is bearable, just. Twelve Tasks has moments of greatness, but fails overall. 'In Britain' is definitely the best, IMO, followed by 'Vs Caeser'. These are the only two I could imagine watching again, and I don't know what I'd think of them if I hadn't loved the books as a kid.

Now what about Tin Tin? I was thinking about adding some of those, but I haven't actually seen them, and I doubted anyone else would review them at the time.

Loop

[MonkeyFunk]

Titanic: The Animated Movie and The Water Babies. Those are two of the worst animated features I've seen. Some really boring anime spring to mind, too, like Odin.

I quite like the Asterix movies overall; the only one I really don't like is the first one (Goscinny and Uderzo felt the same - they didn't even know it was in development until they saw the completed film). My favourite is probably The Big Fight, although I've only seen the British dub (as opposed to the American dub, which Lupercal reviewed - the British dub doesn't have the narrator and keeps the names consistent, so we have Cacofonix and not Franksinatrix). Cleopatra was dated and had issues with its timing, but was pretty fun.

[Lucky_Bob]

Now what about Tin Tin? I was thinking about adding some of those, but I haven't actually seen them, and I doubted anyone else would review them at the time.

Those are actually okay for a TV show. The stories are accurate enough to the original comic books and make up for the limited animation.

James

[lupercal]

Those are actually okay for a TV show. The stories are accurate enough to the original comic books and make up for the limited animation.

James

There were some movies too, weren't there? The Crab with the Golden Claws was the first one.

Loop

[Lucky_Bob]

Hmm...I dunno. I'll look it up. I only know of a TV show.
The books are certainly long enough to be.

James

[Lucky_Bob]

Oops, I was wrong. There were several movies done :P
James

[Juuchan17]

Dinosaur is the worst??

I don't think it's the worst film there. I've seen worse. I think The King and I (although the music was well-done, the movie stunk like old, stale garbage) should definitely be the worst. Maybe Quest for Camelot should be like #5 worst (it's not that bad of a film. I enjoyed the story a lot!), but Dinosaur doesn't need to be the worst up there. There's far worse out there, trust me.

EDIT: I forgot about some others that are worse.
- Babes in Toyland . . . awful to sit through. I was bored to death.
- A Troll in Central Park . . . . oh gosh, I almost forgot how bad it was. Horrible animation, good voice for the lead character though, but that won;t save it from being bad.

[lupercal]

Dinosaur is the worst??

[...] Dinosaur doesn't need to be the worst up there. There's far worse out there, trust me.


I think the bottom 5 is subject to the same distortions as the top 5 when there are only a small number of reviews (see thread below). More so, in fact, since people probably avoid even watching the really wretched ones, if they've even heard of them (I haven't watched 'A Troll in Central Park', 'The King and I', or 'The Pebble and the Penguin' for instance.) So while the overall review count is low, I think you're going to see a skewing towards well-known unpopular films, rather than outright bad films which may be relatively obscure.

Loop

[athena]

I think you're going to see a skewing towards well-known unpopular films, rather than outright bad films which may be relatively obscure.
Which I don't see as necessarily bad... I think it's important to trounce these well-hyped monsters as quickly as possible... I mean, as many news articles have been pointing out this week, Dinosaur was Disney's last venture in CG and it brought in nearly as much at the box office in its opening weekend as Chicken Little... but what few articles seem to mention is the fact that it was pretty much awful.

Now, the question that leaps to my mind is, if Dinosaur is currently king of our Top 5 Worst list, is Chicken Little going to find its way there eventually?


...hmm, I suppose this means I'll have to go see it this weekend.

[athena]

"Lord of the Rings" just unseated "Dinosaur" at the top of Keyframe's Top 5 Worst list.


ouch. poor Bakshi... :)

[lupercal]

Bleh. Either is worthy. Though, I think I would still give the award to Dinosaur, since it at least had Disney's finances behind it, whereas Bakshi probably sold his car to make LOTR.

I only have one disagreement each in the best of and worst of lists. I don't think 'All Dogs go to Heaven 2' is as bad as the rest of the bottom 5, and I don't think 'Cat's Don't Dance' (good as it is) is as good as the rest of the top 5.

(CTD is a really good film. I just don't think it's the fourth best animated film ever made. Similarly I don't think ADGTH2 is the fourth worst, but films like 'Millionaire Dogs' and 'The Swan Princess II' don't have enough votes)

Loop

[Fuzzy Cat]

"Millionaire Dogs" deserves to be at the Top 5 of the worst animated features forever. This movie is just awful.

What about "Shark Tale?" ;)

[lupercal]

Shark Tale is in the bottom 5, isn't it? I hope it stays there forever. It made me want to commit an act of physical violence against my TV set.

Loop

[Toonboy]

Freddie the Frog is ten times worse than the lowest of the low that we have here. I'm afraid of adding it as an entry because it's just THAT BAD. And I've seen other obscure pieces of animation that were clearly more annoying than Dinosaur.

The Black Cauldron, I think, is terribly underrated, but it IS the Disney piece most people choose as the worst, so maybe it was inevitable that it's on the list.

[athena]

Freddie the Frog is ten times worse than the lowest of the low that we have here. I'm afraid of adding it as an entry because it's just THAT BAD. And I've seen other obscure pieces of animation that were clearly more annoying than Dinosaur.
Oh you have to have the bad in there... particularly the really, superbly awful... warning people off those movies and on to the good ones is at the core of what the site's about.

I'm sure some of you have heard the story before, but seed of the site began when I was in a video store many years ago... this bedraggled mother with two hyper kids was browsing the family section. She pulls down Quest for Camelot with a slightly dismissive "you haven't seen this one yet"... and I wanted to rush over there, "no! wait! stop! don't assume it's okay just because it's ANIMATED! Auuughghgh!"


I noticed we don't seem to be getting any super low reviews for the TV series... maybe we need more of them to get that kind of range of like/dislike...


The Black Cauldron, I think, is terribly underrated, but it IS the Disney piece most people choose as the worst, so maybe it was inevitable that it's on the list.
The Black Cauldron fails because it's so unbalanced as a movie... cute kids, cute fuzzy thing... HORDES OF THE UNDEAD... *stomp* *stomp*... I'm currently reading the book that the movie is based on, and it's quite good. It just wasn't translated well to the screen.

[lupercal]

I noticed we don't seem to be getting any super low reviews for the TV series...

Well add something like 'Starblazers' or 'Voltron' and I'll rush out of the blocks to give it 1.

Loop

[Toonboy]

I noticed we don't seem to be getting any super low reviews for the TV series...

Well add something like 'Starblazers' or 'Voltron' and I'll rush out of the blocks to give it 1.

Loop

*evil laughter*

Voltron deserves to be ganged up on.

[MonkeyFunk]

Holy cow, I've just seen DiC's Wizard of Oz cartoon, and it's got to be one of the contenders for the bottom 5 TV series. From what I've seen Voltron was, at worst, just dull; Dicoz manages to get just about everything totally irredeemably wrong, and is based on a classic movie to boot.

[Thalia-is-Crazy]

You should write some reviews for them. I don't think many people in North America have seen them... I know I can't get my hands on copies up here in Canada.

Dude, I have two of them on betamax!

Asterix the Gaul (which is indeed quite bad) and Asterix Vs. Ceasar (which is recorded over in one part for two minutes, but is visually a LOT better and a lot more entertaining to watch at least for that... and the hot chick!)
I recall having seen cleopatra as well, but not well enough to write a review...

I LOVE ASTERIX
was bottlefed on the comics and am proud that I read them before i understood all the humour...
DAMN I AM SO EXCITED to see the viking one... the animation looks STUNNING!

[Thalia-is-Crazy]

Aside from the elton john music, the stupid HORSE that never leaves, and that AWEFUL SONG (great to be a god)
I really loved eldorado.

CHEL IS TEH SHMEXEH
what can I say,
and I love Tulio and Miguel.
But mostly Chel.

...
JAMES BAXTER IS HOT!
I just can not fathom how anyone could hate that movie...
but then again seeing bad reviews for Prince of Egypt juzzabout put me in shock as well.

[starlac]

I noticed we don't seem to be getting any super low reviews for the TV series... maybe we need more of them to get that kind of range of like/dislike...

I’ve got quite a few TV series to add (as well as everything else on my list). It’s just finding the time, not just to add them, but to get the other data as well (images, merchandise). I’m sure at least some of them are worthy of hate (certainly Codename: Kids next Door got two bad reviews pretty soon after I added it).

Now what about Tin Tin? I was thinking about adding some of those, but I haven't actually seen them, and I doubted anyone else would review them at the time.

I’ve been meaning to get the complete adventures of Tin-Tin on DVD, but I’ve never got round to it yet, mostly because while they’re okay, they aren’t high on my to get list.